Talk:Christophor Araratov

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Not only this article is not properly referenced, but it is surprisingly biased towards an Armenian POV. I understand a natural national sympathy towards a war hero, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and any information should be represented in a neutral way. There are a couple of places which make this article particularly POV:

In the section Turkish invasion to Armenia we are suggested that “Georgians and Caucasian Turks supported Turkey, aiming at getting the support of the latter in founding their own independent states.” This sounds pretty silly as Georgians were actually at war with Turkey and the country faced an invasion by the Ottoman army which had occupied Batumi and Akhalkalaki and then threatened to take Kutaisi and Tbilisi.

“After Sardarapat Araratov was moved to the front against Georgian Army, which conquered Lori in 1918 and despite any negotiations, refused leaving Armenia.” This passage is another piece of nationalist propaganda. The Georgian-Armenian War 1918 offers a more neutral version of the events.

“In the start of 1919 all around Armenia Caucasian Turks excited rebellions.” An extremely dubious assertion. There was a war between the two nations – Armenia and Azerbaijan (see Armenian-Azerbaijani War). Persistence references to the “Caucasian Turks” in an apparent attempt to avoid mentioning of the term “Azerbaijan” is another problem with this article. I hope the author or other interested editors will take care of all of these.--Kober^Talk 12:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"golden sabre from Alexandr The Third"

"For that action Alexandr The Third presented him with a golden sabre, which had the following words on it: "To the General Moses Argutinsky-Dolgoruky from the governor of the Caucasus, count Alexey Yermolov". (statement from article "Христофор Араратов - "Бог Сардарапата"")

This statement isn't correct. More exactly - it's pure invention. First, Alexander the Third died 20 October 1894. Ch. Araratov, born 1876, was 20-year old and graduated Mikhaylov artillery school in 1896 ("На параде в честь выпуска столичных военных училищ 20-летнему подпоручику"). So, how Emperor Alexander III could participated at this ceremony and presented anything to Araratov?

Then, "inscription" on sabre. “Генералу Моисею Аргутинскому-Долгорукову от наместника Кавказа, графа Алексея Ермолова”.

"count Alexey Yermolov" - A.P. Ermolov never received title of the Count. "governor of the Caucasus" ("наместник Кавказ") - it's wasn't official name for the post of Gen. Ermolov. He was Commander of Separate Georgian (then Caucasian) Corps and chief administrator (главноуправляющий) of Georgia and the Caucasus. Post of Governor of the Caucasus was created only in 1844, when Gen. M.S. Vorontsov was appointed to this position. So, Ermolov couldn't called himself "governor of the Caucasus".

And, Ermolov as chief administrator at the Caucasus couldn't presented anything to "General Moses Argutinsky-Dolgoruky", because prince Moses Zakharovich Argutinsky-Dolgoruky (1797-1855) became general only in 1842, when Ermolov was commander of Georgian (Caucasian) Corps in 1816-1827, and since 1831 was member of State Council.

So, inscription on sabre - also pure invention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.139.147.218 (talk) 15:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]